Thursday, May 31, 2012

20 Questions

I found these questions and some excellent answer on Bud's Dead-Logic blog.  Bud tore the logic to shreds in a few deft blows, so I'll refer y'all to his excellent post.  Still, since Christians so arrogantly think these questions are unanswerable, I'll attempt to answer them.  One of my earlier posts was questions for Christians, so I think turnabout is fair play.

1. What caused the universe to exist?
This presumes an agency, which is a natural way our mind works, but not necessarily true.  Our assumption that something causes something else is also due to our pattern-seeking mind.  I am currently reading Michael Shermer's The Believing Brain and he addresses the question of why we ask these questions and come up with the answers we do.  Basically, we are programmed by evolution to seek patterns even if those patterns are wrong because the cost of not finding a true pattern (e.g., being bit by a predator rustling in the grass) is much greater than the cost of having a false positive (running when we hear a rabbit rustling in the grass).

2. What explains the fine tuning of the universe?
There is no fine tuning of the universe.  It is a figment of some believers' imagination.  We are the center of our own little universes, and when we contemplate the greater universe we want to extend that sense of specialness, even though it's totally wrong.  If a Christian really wants to know how people counter that silly argument, they don't have to look far.

3. Why is the universe rational?
It's not.  Nothing is rational without a prefrontal cortex.

4. How did DNA and amino acids arise?
From smaller pieces of matter that got stuck together in bigger and bigger bundles as time went on.
5. Where did the genetic code come from?
See the answer to #4

6. How do irreducibly complex enzyme chains evolve?
Irreducibly complex anything is a figment of the Christian imagination.  Even if there were such a thing, that would not imply a God or any kind of agent or rational entity tinkering with the chemicals.  Notice that anti-science Christians never argue that crystals form according to God's plan, only chemicals that happen to be inside the human body.  I have windows that have very poor insulation.  In the winter crystals form on them every night.  They are beautiful even though they are a sign that my landlord is a cheapskate.  How does water form crystals on windows in such beautiful patterns?  Because of the chemical structure and nature of water.  Ditto, everything else.

7. How do we account for the origin of 116 distinct language families?
By the spread of humans all across the globe into separate cultural groups.  Having one core language group would have been much more of an argument for a God.  Language families have family trees that linguists have deduced by studying the relationships amongst the languages.  I have never heard this idiotic question before.  Kind of makes me wonder if Christians are giving up on trying to out-science everyone with their ignorant arguments.

8. Why did cities suddenly appear all over the world between 3,000 and 1,000BC?
This is not true.  Mohenjo Daro appeared in India in ca. 5,000 BC and Chinese cities als predate the earliest Middle Eastern Cities.  But... the human race is about the same age everywhere, so if we learn from our elders and experiment and adapt our behaviors to various environments, it's kind of inevitable that the same species will do the same behaviors at about the same time in different places.

9. How is independent thought possible in a world ruled by chance and necessity?
Ahhh the questions get stupider by the number.  Thinking is possible because our brains are adapted for thinking.  Not all of use do it very well, as evidenced by this list of questions.

10. How do we account for self-awareness?
Neurologists are answering more and more of these things all the time.  We have brains that recognize ourselves, but amazingly don't recognize that the brain is what makes it possibe for us to do it.   Did Teri Schiavo have self awareness after her brain turned to slush?  No.  There's your answer.

11. How is free will possible in a material universe?
Check out the debate between Jerry Coyne and Richard Carrier (and possibly a few others) on this matter.  Our "will" is only as free as our brain allows it to be.  And since your "will" is a function of your brain, which is a material object, I think the question is kind of stupid.  (Bud, what's the word for this kind of stupidity?)

12. How do we account for conscience?

13. On what basis can we make moral judgements?
On the basis of the moral code that we get from our culture, or that we make up ourselves.  Richard Dawkins makes this point very clearly in The God Delusion.  Throughout the history of the Judeo-Christian "law" there has been very little relationship between the written word and the morality of the peoples who professed to believe in it.

14. Why does suffering matter?
It matters to the being that's suffering because suffering hurts.   Owie.  We are programmed by evolution to want to live, and to avoid things that hurt.  Duh.  In a group of beings that are attached by a social bond, the suffering of others matters to us because 1) we have mirror neurons that give us the ability to empathize and 2) the survival of the group depends on the survival of individuals.

15. Why do human beings matter?
We don't, except to ourselves and our pets.

16. Why care about justice?
Because we live in a social group, and social groups work better when there's a system of justice to punish selfish individuals.  Even non-human primates believe in justice, and I swear my smarter cocker spaniel keeps track of how many treats she gets compared to my other dogs.

17. How do we account for the almost universal belief in the supernatural?
Michael Shermer to the rescue again.  We see patterns because of our neurology, and we also attribute agency to things because not to do so when there's actually an agent would put us at an evolutionary disadvantage.  Even Christians know this at heart.  It's the basis for Pascal's Wager:  being wrong about the supernatural is harmless if we believe in something false, but not believing in it if it's real could be dangerous.  It's the snake vs. bunny in the grass wager again.

18. How do we know the supernatural does not exist?
You can't absolutely 100% prove a negative in this case, because there could be a supernatural agent on some other planet we can't ever observe.  But... so far on this planet things that seem to be supernatural because of some trick of our minds have 100% turned out to be explainable in natural terms, or have not been proved not to be natural.

19. How can we know if there is conscious existence after death?
We can't, but it's a safe bet there isn't.  If we can be "brain dead," then we're already not conscious.  There also isn't conscious existence when we're asleep or under anesthesia.  Babies   The fact that it can be suspended pretty much points to it being a natural, 100% worldly, phenomenon attributable to the way our brains work.  When the brain dies, we die.  When others' brains die, they die, but our brains still hold their images and can play tricks on us.

20. What accounts for the empty tomb, resurrection appearances and growth of the church?
Empty tomb:  here are a few possible explanations.  1) Christ cheated death, 2) it's a made-up story to make Christ seem more supernatural in order to persuade bronze age people who would have expected a story like that of a godlike being, 3) his body was stolen, 4) he wasn't really dead and his pals helped him out of there, 5) he didn't exist, 6) his death was faked and he was never in the tomb.

One of those explanations is supernatural.  Five of them are ordinary and fairly prosaic explanations.  Why choose to believe the one supernatural one?

Resurrection appearances:  You mean how Elvis appeared to his fans for years after his death?  Dunno.  I never got that one.

Growth of Christianity:  prosletyzing, forced conversions, and making up stories that would appeal to the people being prosletyzed to.  Other religions have grown too.   Believing in agency, the supernatural, authority figures, etc. predispose us to believe in the fairy tales of our elders and to be converted when we are vulnerable.  Add to this the tendency of kings and emperors to dictate which religion the people have to follow, and you get mass conversions like crazy.  The Africans who came to the U.S. as slaves were pantheists who believed that they were captured because their god wasn't as strong as their captors' god, so they switched to the team with the better pitcher.  Now there are millions of African-American Christians who are their descendents.  So the spread of Christianity is pretty easily explainable by anyone who has bothered to read a basic world history textbook.

Well, that was fun.  Some Christian really thought these questions were unanswerable?  Makes you wonder if they have ever tried to find out alternate answers on their own.  Most of them aren't even aware of the ways that other religions answer their deep questions.  Certainly the spread of Christianity has been documented well enough that they could learn about their own religion.  For someone to add that last question shows an appalling level of ignorance.

Today I was talking to a coworker who went to a fundy university but is actually rather liberal.  She complained that so few Christians know much about their religion.  I pointed out that the more you know the more you question, and they are afraid to go there.  I'm living proof of that.  I'm still waiting for her answer to the question of why Jesus refers to God in the third person if Jesus is God.


Bud said...

Excellent work, Lady A!

L.Long said...

#9 is incredibly stupid. A person who is TOLD how and what to think is curious about how independent thought is otherwise possible without the gawd that tells him what to think and do....Desk slam!!!

LadyAtheist said...

Thank you Bud.

L.L. I wonder if any of them understands the concept of "irony"

Chatpilot said...

Lady A this was a short and sweet refutation to those so called 20 unanswerable questions. I am not sure if you are aware of it but Richard Carrier posted about this recently here is the link:

Diana M. said...

those are some very good points, i especially liked #7 (i am a German teacher so i know some stuff)

LadyAtheist said...

I had a German prof in grad school who was a linguist. He frequently said things like "It's not that it means this other word, It's the SAME WORD" (like buch and book)

Tommykey said...

#7 makes no sense. Is there something magical about 116? What if there were 45 instead?

As for #8, the obvious answer is that it took the agricultural revolution to create sufficient increases in populations in various regions of the world which made cities possible.

If Biblical YEC were true, then we would expect the oldest genetic haplotype to be in the Middle East. Instead, we find it in Southern Africa among the Bushmen and San peoples. They also speak a language containing clicks that is different from other language groups.

LadyAtheist said...

Yeah, these questions say a lot about the level of ignorance and lack of critical thinking skills of Christians, or at least YECs.

Maddy said...

I am a high schooler and I have a question for you LadyAtheist: but first of all, I have read your questions directed towards Christians and I think they seem like questions of someone who is ignorant and has not read or understands our faith. One of your questions was if you knew 100 percent you would go to hell, then would you still be a Christian? Of course not. One of the reasons to be a Christian is to go to heaven. If you knew you were going to hell, then you know you wouldn't be a Christian. "For God so loved the world that whoever believes in him may have eternal life" John 3:16 My aunt is an atheist who asks similar questions as you. I am praying that God opens your ears and your heart to see the truth.

Anyway, If God does not exist then there is no moral bases for all humans. You did say yourself that a moral bases in all humans does exist. Even as a child we have a moral compass that tells us good from bad. If God doesn't exist, then everything is permissible. Why do we even have a legal system. You can't then say that a person is wrong, you would say it is their instincts to survive or ect. Animals don't have a moral compass but do things out of fear, and survival instincts. You also say that humans are different from animals. Explain that.

Maddy said...

What are your views on abortion, and homosexuality? Did you ever believe in any religion? Like in your childhood?

LadyAtheist said...

Depending on the variety of christianity, it's possible to believe yet go to Hell. So-called Christians frequently say that other people will be going to Hell, like child molesters, but those people would go to Heaven too if they believed according to John (which btw is the latest book of the bible, from ca. 90 and very likely not written by someone who actually met Jesus)

You say that children have a moral compass. True. So do other primates, elephants, marine mammals, and dogs. That is not proof of a god. It's actually the reverse. It means that you can be moral without a god.

Maddy said...

What I am trying to bring across is that if God doesn't exist, then everything is permissible (Dostoevsky). You need to have God in the picture to say that humans have a moral compass. If you take God out of the picture, then people can just blame instincts or what Darwin says, "survival of the fittest'.

I know people have different perspectives regarding abortion, but I strongly belive that it is wrong because of the Bible. For me, God and the Bible set my moral compass and what I regard as right or wrong. If God didn't exist I would just say that my instincts told me to steal from the store because I wanted a new ipad. Not of any moral compass. But becasue God does exist (even though you say that is false), He has instilled in us a moral compass that allows us to know what is right and wrong.

p.s. I thought it was funny that you were arguing with the man who said the Bible was not the word of God by telling him that other Christians do not agree even though I can tell you are a strong atheist.

Also I was wondering, why have you devoted part of your life in trying to refute the Bible. You must have thought about this for a long time considering you have created an entire blog about it (of course disproving there is a God and the Bible. If you are so sure Christians are wrong about God, why would it matter to you? There is nothing... And one more thing, what will you do if you there is a sudden event that proves the existence of God? Will you continue to walk blindly?

I am not trying to be rude or come across as arrogant but trying to learn more about how an atheist thinks and their mindset. And thank you for replying my previous questions. This may be enforcing your belief that God does not exist, but this is strengthening my faith and helping me to grow and learn more about what I believe and why.

Thanks!! :)

LadyAtheist said...

Your moral issue is a false dichotomy. We have a legal system, and even without that, there are social and interpersonal consequences for bad behavior. Some of the "sins" of some religions are totally not "immoral" in other religions, such as cutting your hair, eating meat, eating root vegetables, working a 7-day (or 4-day) work week, eating shellfish, etc.

"Survival of the fittest" is really survival of the individuals that have the best fit for the environment, not a might-makes-right kind of fitness. Small mammals were the best fit for the environment after the asteroid hit the planet and made it uninhabitable for large dinosaurs. But still, there is evidence in nature that anti-social behavior is punished and pro-social behavior is rewarded in social species, and those other species don't believe in a god. That applies in communities but not to out-groups, which is why we have war (which almost no Christians object to)

Once you have decided that the Bible will be your "moral authority" you can pick and choose whatever you like from it because there are contradictions everywhere. When God commanded genocide including ripping fetuses out of pregnant women, does that mean God makes exceptions? The Bible is wide open to interpretation, which is why there are so many denominations and thousands of "non-denominational" congregations. It's hardly a moral compass if its believers can disagree on so many things.

As for me being a "strong" atheist, you misunderstand the term. A "strong" atheist is someone who believes there is proof that god doesn't exist. I disbelieve because there isn't compelling proof, which is agnosticism or "weak" atheism." But I call myself a free thinker because I make up my mind based on evidence. We don't have denominations so it's kind of pointless to try to use labels.

Why do I write this blog? (which I kind of took a break from recently) Because I live in an area where there are more fundamentalist Christians than anyplace I've lived before. Frankly, I find their views shocking. They let their pastor tell them what to wear or what to watch on TV (or even sometimes tell them not to watch any TV) and pray for the silliest of things, or for the most serious even though their prayers change nothing. So I guess I was reaching out when I started it. People here are so used to being surrounded by like-minded people that they really don't get other people at all. Homeschooled kids? They only know what their parents and pastors have taught them about other people. They have had their worlds so controlled for them that they can't make up their own minds. I find fundamentalist religions of all kinds rather sick, and being around people with the sickness makes me want to fight it. You'll see on my blog that there have been instances of children dying because of Christianity. In a day care "ministry" which in Indiana has lower standards than a regular day care, a toddler wandered off unnoticed and drowned in a baptismal pool. Kids are being denied health care in favor of faith "healing" and they are dying. Reasonable Christians aren't speaking out against this stuff so it's up to us free thinkers and atheists.

If you think it's wrong for the law to allow religious exemptions for child care and health care standards, then you should be fighting against it instead of worrying about what atheists believe. We believe a wide variety of things but one thing I think we agree about is that when religion harms people it should not get a pass from civil law.