Thursday, January 12, 2012

The Indiana Taliban wants YOU!!!! (if you're a child)

Well aren't they special?  They want to make it possible for schools to force children to say the Lord's Prayer... unless they or their parents object, which of course any child would be willing to do despite facing rejection, bullying, and discrimination...   I look forward to the inevitable dispute over which version to use.  Debts or sins?  Forever?  Or forever and ever?

or read the original bill:

A BILL FOR AN ACT to amend the Indiana Code concerning education.

Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Indiana:

SOURCE: IC 20-30-5-4.6; (12)IN0251.1.1. --> SECTION 1. IC 20-30-5-4.6 IS ADDED TO THE INDIANA CODE AS A NEW SECTION TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2012]: Sec. 4.6. (a) In order that each student recognize the importance of spiritual development in establishing character and becoming a good citizen, the governing body of a school corporation or the equivalent authority of a charter school may require the recitation of the Lord's Prayer at the beginning of each school day. The prayer may be recited by a teacher, a student, or the class of students.

(b) If the governing body or equivalent authority requires the recitation of the Lord's Prayer under subsection (a), the governing body or equivalent authority shall determine the version of the Lord's Prayer that will be recited in the school corporation or charter school.

(c) A student is exempt from participation in the prayer if:

  1.  the student chooses not to participate; or
  2.  the student's parent chooses to have the student not participate.
How does a child choose not to participate when we socialize them to obey their teachers?  How does a Catholic first grader know that they are reciting the "wrong" version of the Lord's Prayer?  How does a child recognize spiritual development from parroting words they don't understand?

...and What the FUCKING FUCK FUCK?????   Someone voted for these idiots who are proposing a bill that can't possibly pass.  What traction will they get from that?  "Hey voters, instead of trying to attract factory jobs so you ignorant slobs can buy bigger TVs, I proposed an unconstitutional bill!"



shreddakj said...

The constitution overrides any state law though right?

Infidel753 said...

The wingnuts across America must be holding a secret contest to see who can come up with the most unconstitutional proposal. That's the only explanation.

What traction will they get from that? "Hey voters, instead of trying to attract factory jobs so you ignorant slobs can buy bigger TVs, I proposed an unconstitutional bill!"

Well, yes, they do that with abortion all the time. They can show their knuckle-dragging voters that they voted for enforcing the Will of Gawd, and thanks to the Constitution, they don't run any risk of having to deal with the ugly consequences if the damn thing were to be actually enforced.

LadyAtheist said...

shreddakj, yep. There's no way this could stand up in court. It's a waste of time and proof that Indiana is full of wingnuts

L.Long said...

This is a great strategy. Keep letting idiot put bill like this thru and so much time and money is wasted on this while the main thrust is to sneak in other bills that will really pluck us royally.

This is even worse because ...think back to school and how did you enjoy being hated by everyone else? Cuz any student who does not go along will be picked on and hated. So they will do nothing and say nothing to their parents. I am doing the silent thing right now because I am in the middle of a bunch of g0d-bots and my 2 G'Kids are too young to handle the situation if I come out as an avid atheist and my wife has stated that she will beat me up if I cause any mischief. So I wait for them to be older.

B.R. said...

Christians are undoubtedly the biggest group of useful idiots in the world. I bet most of them have never sat down and read the entire Constitution word for word.

Analyst said...

When I was young this was normal in public schools.

We cynical little bastards made up our own words. It became the cool thing. Nothing brings religion into more disrepute than crap like this. Like Tebow, it shows that religion is really just superstition.

LadyAtheist said...

hahaha I was only forced to say the pledge, and I don't really remember anything about it. I think I wasn't entirely awake yet.

Anonymous said...

To B .R

"I bet most of them have never sat down and read the entire Constitution word for word."

I'm not defending Christians- but I can guarantee you that less than 1% of Scientists have read "The Origin of Species" or the Principia Mathematica word for word either. Does that make them equally 'useful idiots' ?

By the way- I am among the 1%

LadyAtheist said...

Anonymous: Origin of Species is pretty irrelevant now because the science of evolution has come so far. It's not a governing document like the constitution is, and you don't have to read it to understand evolution. There are more recent and more accurate books available.

This is what's wrong with Christians-- you think that an ancient book can be an authority. The Constitution isn't even "old" because it's been amended over 20 times and case law has refined the meaning of much of it.

Analyst said...

Bleep me! (Much more at the link).

"In response to the question “I believe God used evolution to create people,” only 12% strongly agree."

“But Protestant pastors are overwhelmingly Creationists and believe in a literal Adam and Eve.”

I swear you can see the IQ dropping as you watch.

Anonymous said...


Fair enough- when was the last time you read The Principia ? Or is that irrelevant too?

My point kinda was that reading the original text- be it Constitution or Origin of Species" is not the yardstick by which you measure "useful idiots".

Reading without comprehension, and I'm here to tell you the US Constitution is occasionally just as incomprehensible as The Federalist Papers, the Origin of Species or The Principia... yes I've read them all and no, I'm not a Christian.

Semantics aside- the US Constitution is not the governing document of Christianity so faulting Christians for never having read it is a bit like, to quote Jim Garrison as portrayed in "JFK", faulting "Touchdown here for only beating me 3 games out of 5 the last time we played chess".

LadyAtheist said...

If Christians can't be bothered with the Constitution then they should stop meddling in government

B.R. said...

Your comments are pretty pointless, Anonymous. I've never found the Constitution to be difficult to understand, but that may be because I'm largely self-educated and archaic grammar and sentence structure doesn't confuse me. But this is not the point. The point is that the Constitution is a clearly secular document, and does not reference god, Jesus, or the bible at any time. You don't have to even read the entire thing to draw this conclusion; just read the Second Amendment, which clearly says that Congress shall not respect ANY establishment of religion. If Christians can mindlessly follow the historical revisionists who say this is a "Christian Nation", then they should be expected to actually research the matter for themselves. Since they obviously can't, they're useful idiots for the Religious Reich, nothing more.